Man Gets Fired Continues to Go to Work for 4 Months
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| Quote: Originally Posted by NJBest You're bugging about one of many suggestions. Obviously I didn't mean he do it right now... he's just about to start college. Infact, none of those suggestions are for now... and if you look at his response, he clearly understood everything in my post and my intentions. You, for some reason, are blowing up about it though. I don't know if that politician statement is a shot at me or not. Because your suggestions are not practical and I am letting you know that. It's feedback. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Z3N1TH 0N3 Because your suggestions are not practical and I am letting you know that. It's feedback. What are your practical suggestions to his questions then? Or should he just allow himself to be open to the same kinds of risks the folks from the article had to deal with? |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Thepastpresentandfuture Damn. Stories like this make me worry about employment discrimination and people being fired from their jobs for unfair reasons and being fired too easily to be replaced by other people. I heard other equally horrible stories. And if someone has just one bad day at work, or has just one moment of not getting along with their employers, they seem vulnerable to be fired. As someone said on a comment on [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Business/massachusetts-man-fired-revealing-wife-cancer/story?id=13845661"]ABC's coverage[/URL] of this (so sorry, LovetheDuns, it's not just one story), that is "at will" employment for you, and why this country needs to see a resurgence of unions. With respect to disregarding the other employees, as I said before, there is probably an exodus in the making there. Those who remain probably already have their resumes out. You'd have to be either a masochist or just plain stupid to continue working for a company like that. So, again, that company made its own bed. By the way, that link has a video of the man and his wife. How anyone could watch that and still say "it's just business" is beyond me. What's more, I find the "we as individuals are prepared for this kind of thing" comment to be patently ridiculous and out of touch with reality. No, we as individuals are not. No one is.That "be prepared" nonsense is just a b.s. line people in financial services tell naive customers when they sell them useless products like supplementary insurance so they can collect either a commission on the product or a fee on the portfolio maintenance. All it takes is one catastrophic illness to bankrupt someone who makes five times what that man probably made. Why? Because insurance companies cap benefits and, in all of their smarmy lack of ethics, find ways to start denying claims. You know, because it's "just business" and they need to find ways to turn a profit for their shareholders and pay their CEOs millions of dollars in bonuses. My mother was in the hospital for four months and in respiratory rehab for a month before she died. The grand total for that was in the range of $1.5 million. Her pension and post-retirement health care from her civil service job wouldn't even cover that by a long shot. Had she not thought to put the house in her daughters' names in a living trust several years before she got sick, we'd have lost it and everything else my parents worked their whole lives for. Unless this couple has done the same, that will be their fate. As Zenith said, let's hope it never happens to you. Last edited by Yzette; 06-17-2011 at 09:18 AM.. |
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| Stories like this turn my stomach. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Yzette As someone said on a comment on ABC's coverage of this (so sorry, LovetheDuns, it's not just one story), that is "at will" employment for you, and why this country needs to see a resurgence of unions. Unions for small businesses? Also, there is no cap on medicare benefits. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Yzette As someone said on a comment on ABC's coverage of this (so sorry, LovetheDuns, it's not just one story), that is "at will" employment for you, and why this country needs to see a resurgence of unions. With respect to disregarding the other employees, as I said before, there is probably an exodus in the making there. Those who remain probably already have their resumes out. You'd have to be either a masochist or just plain stupid to continue working for a company like that. So, again, that company made its own bed. By the way, that link has a video of the man and his wife. How anyone could watch that and still say "it's just business" is beyond me. What's more, I find the "we as individuals are prepared for this kind of thing" comment to be patently ridiculous and out of touch with reality. No, we as individuals are not. No one is.That "be prepared" nonsense is just a b.s. line people in financial services tell naive customers when they sell them useless products like supplementary insurance so they can collect either a commission on the product or a fee on the portfolio maintenance. All it takes is one catastrophic illness to bankrupt someone who makes five times what that man probably made. Why? Because insurance companies cap benefits and, in all of their smarmy lack of ethics, find ways to start denying claims. My mother was in the hospital for four months and in respiratory rehab for a month before she died. The grand total for that was in the range of $1.5 million. Her pension and post-retirement health care from her civil service job wouldn't even cover that by a long shot. Had she not thought to put the house in her daughters' names in a living trust several years before she got sick, we'd have lost it and everything else my parents worked their whole lives for. Unless this couple has done the same, that will be their fate. As Zenith said, let's hope it never happens to you. This started out as one story-- obviously other outlets are picking it up. Whether it is one story or a story that has been picked up by multiple media outlets-- there is only one viewpoint being expressed. I go back to you nor I nor anyone else out here sitting from their little pedestals have ANY clue why the decision was made. Because I only know the one man's story-- I don't seek to go out and demonize a company hoping and praying that it will shut its doors and thereby letting go of everyone else there. I also do not believe ideologically that health insurance should be tied to employment-- basic health insurance that its. Even my employer in Europe offers additional insurance benefits for employees to attract employees on top of the socialized plans because lets be frank-- even abroad a lot of people would prefer to not have to work solely within the realm of the socialized state sponsored health care. If a business can not afford the astronomical costs of an employee's or employee dependent's health issues-- I don't think the business should bear that cost-- which is why I am all for some kind of basic health program not tied to employment. But that is besides the point of this story. The story is the man who lost his job because his company did not agree that he could do his job at other hours of the day while his wife was in her terminal disease. I have no idea why the company felt that he could not continue on-- it could very well be because they are jackasses (as I have stated before). It could very well equally be that they had to make the decision. I don't know. You don't know, and possibly no one really knows that reality except the decision makers. Personally-- even with stories like this, I MUCH prefer working in an environment that is free from unions. I like not being limited in my career and I like not relying to rely solely on seniority for opportunities. I like that if I work harder I may get better rewards than someone who is doing the bare minimum to skate by. I worked in a union like environment for one year-- and it was beyond demoralizing to get the same crappy salary increase as everyone else because those were the rules no matter if I excelled at my job and no matter if the lady beside me plain out sucked. This of course brings with it a certain measure of risk-- one that makes me save a significant amount of my earnings, purchase insurance plans that I don't think or hope i will have to use for a very long time, etc. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by NJBest Unions for small businesses? Also, there is no cap on medicare benefits. READ what I said. Medicaid and Medicare do not kick in unless you are nearly on the street. That means liquidating everything. That is why my mother put the house in a living trust, so no one could take it. For someone who is making all of these suggestions about financial preparedness, you need to do some more research. Mine comes from life experience, not from a book. I also spent a year in financial services before I decided that the lies being told about "preparedness" were not something I could be a party to. Also, country club? Come on. That is so far out of the realm of most working-class people and so cavalier a suggestion that it's insulting. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by NJBest What are your practical suggestions to his questions then? Or should he just allow himself to be open to the same kinds of risks the folks from the article had to deal with? My practical suggestion would be to always be proactive. Always be on the lookout for the next job. Don't settle. As far as having all the insurances and country club membership you were suggesting, he should try to make as much money as possible, because he is going to need it to pay for all those things. It's not really feasible on a $30k/yr. salary, or a $40k/yr. salary for that matter. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by NJBest Unions for small businesses? Also, there is no cap on medicare benefits. Sure there is.....ours at work was 5 million for the whole family...once your family hit that you no longer had health insurance on the company policy... |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Yzette READ what I said. Medicaid and Medicare do not kick in unless you are nearly on the street. That means liquidating everything. That is why my mother put the house in a living trust, so no one could take it. Did you even read the article? It implied she had medical coverage through disability. That follows the same coverage schedule as Medicare. |
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